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		<title>By: john-ston</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>john-ston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is actually interesting that we are talking about Local Government, because here in Auckland, there is a Royal Commission that is reconsidering how Auckland should look.

Certainly, I would agree that united Local Government is beneficial for good public transport systems. One of the problems that Auckland had in days gone by was the infighting between the local City and Borough Councils, the Auckland Regional Authority, and Central Government when proposals were made. For instance, I believe that in the 1980s, the ARA was in favour of busways; the Auckland City Council was in favour of light rail, and NZR (i.e. Central Government) was also in favour of light rail. Of course, since the ARA owned the Yellow Bus Company, they had a vested interest in the busway scheme.

When I made my submission to the Commission, I also mentioned that when it comes to planning for Auckland, we need to start looking further afield, and I used the example of South East Queensland and how in New Zealand, we may need to start planning for Northland, Auckland and the Waikato as a grouped area, especially when it comes to transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is actually interesting that we are talking about Local Government, because here in Auckland, there is a Royal Commission that is reconsidering how Auckland should look.</p>
<p>Certainly, I would agree that united Local Government is beneficial for good public transport systems. One of the problems that Auckland had in days gone by was the infighting between the local City and Borough Councils, the Auckland Regional Authority, and Central Government when proposals were made. For instance, I believe that in the 1980s, the ARA was in favour of busways; the Auckland City Council was in favour of light rail, and NZR (i.e. Central Government) was also in favour of light rail. Of course, since the ARA owned the Yellow Bus Company, they had a vested interest in the busway scheme.</p>
<p>When I made my submission to the Commission, I also mentioned that when it comes to planning for Auckland, we need to start looking further afield, and I used the example of South East Queensland and how in New Zealand, we may need to start planning for Northland, Auckland and the Waikato as a grouped area, especially when it comes to transport.</p>
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		<title>By: colinw</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>colinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riccardo,

Most of those proposed mergers have now occurred, on March 18 2008.  In particular the ones you proposed for Caloundra/Maroochy/Noosa, Redcliffe/Pine Rivers/Caboolture and Lockyer Valley have occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Areas_of_Queensland

cheers,
Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riccardo,</p>
<p>Most of those proposed mergers have now occurred, on March 18 2008.  In particular the ones you proposed for Caloundra/Maroochy/Noosa, Redcliffe/Pine Rivers/Caboolture and Lockyer Valley have occurred.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Areas_of_Queensland" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Areas_of_Queensland</a></p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Colin</p>
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		<title>By: colinw</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>colinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riccardo,

Many of the big local Government mergers you advocate have already actually happened up here, in the big mergers that the State Government mandated to occur on March 15, 2008.

The two mega-mergers were Sunshine Coast and the Pine Rivers area:

Noosa, Maroochydore &amp; Caloundra are now the Sunshine Coast Council:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Coast_Regional_Council

Caboolture, Pine Rivers and Redcliffe also merged:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreton_Bay_Regional_Council

There were other lesser merges up north (Townsville/Thuringowa, Cairns/Douglas), south of Ipswich (Beaudesert/Boonah), and Logan was expanded to cover Beenleigh and parts of the old Beaudesert shire, creating a coherent local Government area between Brisbane and Gold Coast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riccardo,</p>
<p>Many of the big local Government mergers you advocate have already actually happened up here, in the big mergers that the State Government mandated to occur on March 15, 2008.</p>
<p>The two mega-mergers were Sunshine Coast and the Pine Rivers area:</p>
<p>Noosa, Maroochydore &amp; Caloundra are now the Sunshine Coast Council:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Coast_Regional_Council" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Coast_Regional_Council</a></p>
<p>Caboolture, Pine Rivers and Redcliffe also merged:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreton_Bay_Regional_Council" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreton_Bay_Regional_Council</a></p>
<p>There were other lesser merges up north (Townsville/Thuringowa, Cairns/Douglas), south of Ipswich (Beaudesert/Boonah), and Logan was expanded to cover Beenleigh and parts of the old Beaudesert shire, creating a coherent local Government area between Brisbane and Gold Coast.</p>
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		<title>By: Riccardo</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Riccardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point LS

I need to finish the main post and would like to do so soon!

The good point with BCC is covering such a large area in an integrated way. Of course, that size is a disadvantage in the BCC has worked poorly with QR in the past because it had the power to ignore, or compete with QR. Still, there is a lot to be said for metropolitan governance, and for the SEQ idea of several of these very large bodies covering the urban areas that aren&#039;t directly part of Brisbane. I&#039;d like to see Caloundra, Maroochy and possibly Noosa in one body, and a Lockyer Valley Shire. And I&#039;d probably merge Pine Rivers and Caboolture (but keep calling it Pine Rivers).

Sydney has the nucleus of such an idea but is still a long way from it. For example, Kuringai, Warringah and the infamous Shire have the beginnings of what is required.

Melbourne, despite the Kennett amalgamations, LG is still a peripheral role when it comes to transport and planning. They whinge about losing their planning powers - but I&#039;ve yet to see a local government plan that didn&#039;t either ignore public transport, or talk about pie in the sky, monorails and so on.

Getting them to focus on the task at hand, such as improvements to the access to stations, or street layouts for buses, is not easy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point LS</p>
<p>I need to finish the main post and would like to do so soon!</p>
<p>The good point with BCC is covering such a large area in an integrated way. Of course, that size is a disadvantage in the BCC has worked poorly with QR in the past because it had the power to ignore, or compete with QR. Still, there is a lot to be said for metropolitan governance, and for the SEQ idea of several of these very large bodies covering the urban areas that aren&#8217;t directly part of Brisbane. I&#8217;d like to see Caloundra, Maroochy and possibly Noosa in one body, and a Lockyer Valley Shire. And I&#8217;d probably merge Pine Rivers and Caboolture (but keep calling it Pine Rivers).</p>
<p>Sydney has the nucleus of such an idea but is still a long way from it. For example, Kuringai, Warringah and the infamous Shire have the beginnings of what is required.</p>
<p>Melbourne, despite the Kennett amalgamations, LG is still a peripheral role when it comes to transport and planning. They whinge about losing their planning powers &#8211; but I&#8217;ve yet to see a local government plan that didn&#8217;t either ignore public transport, or talk about pie in the sky, monorails and so on.</p>
<p>Getting them to focus on the task at hand, such as improvements to the access to stations, or street layouts for buses, is not easy!</p>
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		<title>By: Loose Shunter</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Loose Shunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I also suggest that Brisbane benefits from strong metropolitan governance by having a single local government (the only Australian capital to do so). While this has tended toward bus-based solutions for PT (the BCC does after all control the bus services), the BCC has leveraged a rather good bus network off extensive state and federal funding off urban roads.

Urban governance and its role in integrating transport and land use planning (a lesson learned in a different context with a different set of mechanisms in WA) is an undiscovered country in the cities of South-Eastern Australia...

LS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I also suggest that Brisbane benefits from strong metropolitan governance by having a single local government (the only Australian capital to do so). While this has tended toward bus-based solutions for PT (the BCC does after all control the bus services), the BCC has leveraged a rather good bus network off extensive state and federal funding off urban roads.</p>
<p>Urban governance and its role in integrating transport and land use planning (a lesson learned in a different context with a different set of mechanisms in WA) is an undiscovered country in the cities of South-Eastern Australia&#8230;</p>
<p>LS</p>
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		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyo - One of the worlds biggest cities &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Paris - transport &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: London- Transport Continued &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>London- Transport Continued &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: colinw</title>
		<link>http://transporttextbook.com/?p=153&#038;cpage=1#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>colinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting reading so far, and agrees with my understanding of Queensland&#039;s distinct character.  Keep it coming ...

I do fear, however, that we are starting to diverge from past behaviour toward a more NSW / Victoria like planning model.  The entire Kippa-Ring saga being the classic case ... Brisbane&#039;s own version of the &quot;never never&quot; lines to Castle Hill / Norwest and Doncaster respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading so far, and agrees with my understanding of Queensland&#8217;s distinct character.  Keep it coming &#8230;</p>
<p>I do fear, however, that we are starting to diverge from past behaviour toward a more NSW / Victoria like planning model.  The entire Kippa-Ring saga being the classic case &#8230; Brisbane&#8217;s own version of the &#8220;never never&#8221; lines to Castle Hill / Norwest and Doncaster respectively.</p>
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